How Music Can Help Your Baby

Research shows music has countless positive effects on our brains. So what does that mean for the littlest among us? How can new parents use music to soothe their babies? And how does it impact their development? Moms and music teachers weigh in.

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Natalie Gross 0:07
There's tons of research showing the positive effects music can have on our brains and today we're going to explore what that means for the littlest among us, or how music helps us soothe our babies to how it impacts their development. You'll be hearing from moms and music teachers today as we explore this topic of music and babies. This is Newbies.

Welcome to Newbies! Newbies is your online, on-the-go support group guiding new mothers through their baby's first year. I'm Natalie Gross- mom to a three year old boy and a girl on the way. We've got a great show today talking about music and babies. Now if you haven't already, be sure to visit our website at And subscribe to our weekly newsletter, which keeps you updated on all the episodes we release each week. Another great way to stay updated is to hit that subscribe button in your podcast app. And if you're looking for a way to get even more involved with our show, then check out our membership club. It's called Mighty Moms. That's where we chat more about the topics discussed here on our show. And it's also an easy way to learn about our recording so you can join us live.

Now let's meet today's guests. Cheryl Sabo from Virginia, , Kimmy Allen from Michigan and Stiliyana Hristova who is joining us all the way from Bulgaria. So welcome, everyone. As we get started, I'd love for you all to introduce yourself to our listeners, and share a little bit about your music experience. And what brings you to this conversation today. Cheryl, do you want to kick us off?

Cheryl Sabo 2:00
Oh, yeah, thank you, Natalie, I would love to so my name is Cheryl Sabo. And I was just delighted when you all reached out to see if I'd be interested in being part of this chat. Music goes really deep for me. My mom is a musician and a music teacher. And so it's just kind of been infused in our family life. Since I was little. And I've taught music a lot. I play the flute. I love singing, but I never really, you know, I taught other people how to sing with their children, but I never really understood it until I had my own children. And they're a little bit older now. But I still sing with them all the time. And music is a really important part of our family life and a really important tool, I think, for us to use as we start to navigate being a new mommy.

Kimmy Allen 2:45
Hi, my name is Kimmy Allen and I also grew up in a musical family. Both of my parents are music educators. And I grew up listening to music as a baby all the way till now I've been teaching music for a long time. And I got my bachelor's degree in music education and my master's degree in violin performance. And then after that I was able to get licensed and trained in a program called kinder music. And I have taught baby classes for a decade. And I absolutely love seeing the process from when they're first born all the way to when they're ready to take private music lessons and seeing that development. It's been such a gift.

Stiliyana Hristova 3:27
Hello, my name is Stili and I'm a mom of two years old boy, as Natalie already said. I'm joining you all the way from Bulgaria to share my experience with the white noise and how it helped us. I'm currently working in a company that is actually producing white noise melodies. Initially, the company was created as a digital marketing company. But in the last year it has a good presence in the music field. I'm happy that I can share my experience as a mom with my team. And then we managed to create some really nice relaxing white noise playlists that have already helped so many parents around the world. And now I'm here to share my experience with you.

Natalie Gross 4:06
We are going to take a quick break but right before we do I want to know what your favorite kids song is and why.

Stiliyana Hristova 4:13
My kid's favorite song is "If you're happy and you know it" because the (inaudible) he really liked this.

Natalie Gross 4:19
That's my son's favorite too.

Stiliyana Hristova 4:22

Cheryl Sabo 4:23
So my favorite song children's song is actually a lullaby. It's called Sleepyhead. It's by Lynn Ransom who was really active in the music together world. And she wrote this lullaby I love it because it's accessible. I can sing it at literally and did sing it at any hour of the day. And it's in triple meter, which is my favorite meter. If you think of triple meter. It's like a slow gentle rocking or a waltzing meter. It just flows very nicely and it feels really great to me. I love it. But the other thing I really love about this lullaby Sleepyhead is that it was really easy to personalize it for my child for my family. So I substituted one words for my child's name, and it quickly became like our go to tradition to seeing before nap times and at bedtime.

Natalie Gross 5:09
Awesome. I'm gonna have to look that one up.

Kimmy Allen 5:11
My favorite song is Sarasponda. It's a traditional song and it's just a silly kid song that the lyrics don't really make sense. But I've seen almost every child that I've taught it to absolutely loves it. And the parents love it, the caregivers love it. And the cool thing about this song is that it instills in the child, a steady beat, so we put the child on our lap, and you just bounce your child on your lap while singing saris Fonda, they love it and they look out at their friends and or they either look at their caregiver, and instill that steady beat that is so crucial at a young age to instill into young children and I don't have children of my own, but I have used it with all my nieces and nephews. And it is so popular whenever I'm over there. Whenever they come over, they climb on my lap, and they want to do saris found us so that's my favorite one.

Natalie Gross 6:09
Awesome. Well, those are good selections, we're gonna have to look up those last two. All right, we're gonna take a quick break and come right back.

Today on Newbies, we're talking about ways that music can help babies and to start I want to focus on how new parents can use music to soothe their babies. So Stili? And Cheryl? At what age did you start using music to help soothe your kids or help them sleep? And did you notice an immediate effect?

Stiliyana Hristova 6:38
I started using quite most music just right after birth, maybe my son used to sleep very well, just when we were still at the hospital. When we came back home, it was where we it was like a nightmare for me. He was a colicky baby, it was very hard for me to help him to help him go to sleep. And his naps was also very short, maybe just around 30 means then me and my husband started researching what we can do to improve the baby's sleep. And we found out some really interesting info about the white noise. You know how it contains all frequencies. And it's frequently used to mask other sounds, how it limits the sound that your baby heard in the womb. And we just decided to try that and open Spotify and found some playlists and save it to use it later. I actually remember the first time we use it, the baby was crying and my husband was holding it and trying to talk him to go home. Come on down. And I just grabbed my phone and played one of the playlist we have found. My baby was just stopped crying immediately. And maybe right after two means he was already asleep. And that's how we started using white noise. And we sometimes use through the night to help him have a good night's sleep really strong night's sleep. Although he's two years old now we still sometimes use it when he's sick or very nervous. And I can say that it's really helping him.

Natalie Gross 8:17
So it's like music with white noise in the background as well. Or it alternates between the two. Can you tell us more about how it works?

Stiliyana Hristova 8:24
It is white noise that is mixed with some piano melodies. I think that is that is helping him sleep better because the piano is very soothing too.

Natalie Gross 8:35
Got it. Okay, cool. Cheryl, how about you? How when did you start using music to help soothe your kids?

Cheryl Sabo 8:41
Yeah, that is such a great question. And unfortunately, I don't know, because I was singing, I was teaching. I was teaching, you know, seven days a week 21 classes, well, Monday through Saturday. But then I also volunteered at my church on Sunday morning. So I was teaching every single day before I even knew that I was pregnant. So it has always been part of our experience. But I will say scileanna I love how creative you are, you know, what are you going to do? Because when you're in it, you know when we are in it with our little ones, and they're fussy, and we're exhausted. And we just want the best for them. And we want to do what you know, we can but we don't know what that would be. I love your creativity. I grabbed my phone, I put on some white noise, you know, and then it grew from there. Because we know that music is powerful. And it's an important piece of being human. And I think it's fascinating that when we sing when we use music produced with our bodies, you know you were talking I love that Stili... about the sounds of the womb, that heartbeat of the mother the blood, the circulatory system, moving in something that is part of their world before they're even born. You know, when we sing, that's our voice and they know that voice that voice means everything to them. In fact when we sing to our children, we always think to our babies, there's research suggesting that we are actually lowering not only the stress hormones in our baby lowering cortisol levels in our baby, we are also reducing the cortisol level in our physiology. And it gets even better that lasts after the singing is completed. So when we sing especially lullabies, before a nap, or when we're upset, or at nighttime as part of a routine for bedtime, it teaches our children to self soothe eventually, you know, it takes a long time, obviously, but immediate effects will be felt, when we have that interaction with them when they are hearing the person they love the very most in the world. And it also supports your bonding with them. So I would say from the very beginning, it was something that I used, and I did not have an easy baby. So it works, I promise.

Unknown Speaker 11:00
Well, Kimmy, let's keep kind of following that like scientific thread, right? So in your work with music and infants, what can you tell us about the soothing power of music and why it's been effective?

Kimmy Allen 11:10
Yes, I want to echo what Cheryl was saying. I've seen in my own observation, teaching babies, I mean, I've had them as young as like one or two months. And my expertise was one or two month old babies all the way through like three and a half years. And I just want to echo what the other ladies have said about music is so incredibly important and devil in developing the whole child. So it's not just oh, this is a cute song, or this is a cute tune. I've seen it develop their literacy, I've seen it develop their, their balance, as they go from just being little limp blobs on their caregivers lap to walking and talking and singing. And I've also I think the most beautiful thing was, is the in my music classes, we would have a time called rock and sway time. So it's always always structured in the middle of the class. And what I would do is I would turn off the main light, and we would lay out towels or baskets. And we just had a little dim light of a lamp. So it's a cozy ambiance, and turn on a lullaby, or, you know, Mozart lullaby, or traditional lullaby. And watch as the babies would just relax in the towels and their caregivers would pull them in a towel, and it would just relax them and bond, the caregiver with the child, I would see it in cases, a lot of cases the child would be getting fussy or antsy. And the moment the light would turn off, and the music would start playing, you could just see their whole body relaxed, you could see their caregiver relax. And I had many caregivers come week to week seen this as one of our favorite times, even at home, pre nap ritual or a bedtime ritual. And that was one of my favorite because it not only relaxed the child, but you could see it just kind of relaxed the whole room, including the adults.

Natalie Gross 13:11
Yeah, that's awesome. Cheryl, you had mentioned to me previously, that music helps not only your baby, but you as a mom, kind of get calm and regulate your own emotions. So can you share more about that?

Cheryl Sabo 13:23
Oh, wow, that is such a great question. And it really links in so nicely, Kimmy with what you were saying about it becomes a favorite time at home to that peaceful, you know, you're really creating a space for parents to feel. Ah, it's okay. Right. And we can do this at home too. And, wow, I really needed that. So my older son is neurodivergent. I did not know that when he was an infant. It was not until much later that we got official diagnoses and started to understand what some of what was happening. But what I did know was that I thought I had all the tools I needed. I mean, I am a baby person. I love babies. I've been teaching for over 30 years. I have two degrees in music and like, you know, I thought I had this right. I thought I had everything I needed. When that young brand new baby was just screaming his head off for hours and hours and hours. Every time we weren't nursing. He was screaming right and I did not know what to do. And I like even just remembering it. You can probably hear in my voice like I'm getting stressed, right? I'm raising that cortisol level in my body even just remembering it. So what we know what I felt I had to take a breath there. I mean, what I felt was very keenly when I would sing. When I would sing. I'm changing the way I breathe. I breathe in quickly. I breathe out slowly as I sing. And what we know is that that returns our body to the rest and digest mode like a longer exhale, linked with something that's a whole brain activity. There's nothing that can pull us back into you know, away from fight or flight, toning that vagus nerve getting back to center, calm, it felt great. And I wanted more of it. And I noticed that not only did it help, obviously me to center, but that came out for my son. And also our whole family like it just it sets a tone very much like Kimmy what you were saying... dimming the lights, putting on a towel having a routine. That routine is so important, not just for our babies, for us too.

Natalie Gross 15:27
Well, I have a personal issue I'm hoping you experts can help me with, we've always used like classical music a lot to help soothe my son. And when he was a baby, you know, and it still works. But he has recently been requesting music to help him fall asleep. And then he'll wake up as soon as we switch it back to white noise, which is what we have traditionally used for sleep time. So I'm curious, is it okay to let babies sleep the whole night with music? Or toddlers? In my case, but or is it too stimulating for the brain? Because I'm wondering if there are parents out there who kind of like me, or are maybe a little bit worried that if they start using music at night during the whole sleep time, that maybe that will become a crutch. So any thoughts?

Unknown Speaker 16:07
Yes, I would say absolutely. In my experience, again, I am not a mother. So I'm sure it depends on each child. But I know from my personal experience, I would go to bed many times with you know, back then it was CDs are going on. Yeah. And um, I mean, I suppose if you are concerned of having it on the whole night, I know that there's more modern on Alexa or something that you could put a timer on it. Or maybe before you go to bed, you can, you know, turn it off for your baby. But I would definitely say be if you want to have music going on the whole night be thoughtful in what you choose for your child to listen to. Because your brain is their brain is listening to that music. And with our you know our eyes, we have eyelids, but with our ears, we do not have your eyelids. So sound is coming in, whether that's white noise or music or, you know the laundry growing or you're vacuuming, you know, in the evening, while your child is sleeping, but just be thoughtful. My biggest advice is be thoughtful of what you're actually playing, preview the music, make sure it's not too loud, so that it's not too, you know, active for your baby's brain as they're sleeping. But that would be my biggest advice.

Cheryl Sabo 17:36
I love that Kimmy. This is Cheryl again. So I love that thinking about you know, being intentional with the choice of music and, you know, setting a timer using those awesome tools that we have. Right, I think that's a really brilliant way of looking at it. I think too, you know, it popped into my mind as you were talking that, you know, yeah, I use I use those tools myself, right? If the leaf blowers are going outside, I know when I hear that when I'm trying to do something. So you know, I use those tools. And I think it's really important now more than ever, to use the things that we have to help us be our very happiest, most well adjusted parents and for ourselves in our families in the world. I think if we are using recordings all night, I think it also is very, it would be important to me personally. And in my work to encourage people to also create space for silence. Perhaps during the day, perhaps for a portion of the evening, you know, you are in charge, right? It's your family, but to create spaces where there is no incoming sound. Because when there is silence, that is when the brain actually wires itself up to understand language, and music because music is a language. And we need the space in order to process and put together to assimilate the information that we've been learning. So this is based on Dr. Edwin Gordon's research, really incredible research sequencing how the brain learns music, and Dr. Gordon's work influenced many of the modern music learning programs that are out there, including the one that I teach, which is called music together. And it is essential that we do have quiet sometimes, but again, if that helps your baby's sleep, and that helps your life be smoother, you know, I'm all in go for it. Just be intentional with other spaces for quiet in the day.

Natalie Gross 19:31
Sure that that definitely makes sense. Stili, I'm curious if that has been a concern for you. Like have you ever run into your son not sleeping without that playlist that you mentioned, which sounds awesome, by the way, and I'm gonna check.

Stiliyana Hristova 19:45
Honestly, no, they were times that my baby was waking up just right after we stopped the white noise and there are times that he didn't even notice it that we stopped it. So it was a part of his routine for for a while but now he's sleeping without problem, we are not using white noise as much as we did before. And I can say that I agree with everything carried through. And Kimmy said, you should choose what music you're playing to your baby and everything should be in the right dose. So it would be healthy for you and for the baby.

Natalie Gross 20:17
Awesome. Well, when we come back, we are going to continue this conversation with our panel of guests today. So stay tuned!

We are continuing our discussion with Cheryl, Kimmy and Stili, I want to shift now to talking about how music helps with infants development. And I know we've already started to touch on this, but I'm really excited to dig a little deeper. So Kimmy and Cheryl, we've already talked about that you're both early childhood music educator. So tell us what you do in your classes.

Kimmy Allen 20:49
So in our classes, what we do is it's very, it's a loosely structured class, at least for my class. But we do have routines, the routine is extremely important and the repetition of our routine. So I always start a class with a welcome song, you know, we have either little instruments out. And as the children are entering the class, they all socialize and play their instruments with their caregivers, then we always start with the same intro song. And then I have a curriculum, I do follow, but I have about the same, you know, the baby's attention span is only what like, one minute, two minutes for each activity. So I keep the class moving. And then it's really cool to see each week we have about a four week cycle of certain songs that we do within the units. And within those songs, it's a focus on building the child's literacy, whether it just seems silly words, I've already kind of alluded to that or humming. A lot of it is vocalization for them to see the caregivers and me as the teacher singing and using our mouths. So even if it doesn't look like they're in taking a lot they are even before their pre speech is developed. They are watching us as the caregivers and the teachers and all that using our mouse for singing and speaking. Also, I love the auditory strength that are built in them. If they're in a music class, at a young age, they get used to watching a teacher they get used to listening to instructions of, you know, instruments away instruments away, and it's so cute to see them get into that routine. And they follow what they all look at each other. And then they all do the same thing. And they you know, bump into each other. It's kind of clumsy at first. But they learn it's remarkable. They're incredibly smart, little humans. The other aspect I love seeing developing them with their music classes is their socialization. So they come in at first kind of shy and looking at each other, like who are these people. And I also really noticed, especially with COVID, our little COVID babies, it's super, super crucial. They haven't gotten as much socialization just because of the pandemic. So if you have any baby, you know, two years and younger my niece was born right during the pandemic. I just think it's very, very important to get them into any type of class, but especially music class, if possible, to get them socialized and to get them around other children and caregivers. And I've just seen that super important. And when it's a huge launchpad for them to get into preschool or kindergarten and then get into private lessons. I've seen the kids that have come through the music, the baby music classes into more grown up classes are just so much easier with that sequence.

Cheryl Sabo 23:55
That is so true, isn't it, Kimmy? So my mom teaches piano and she is always thrilled when someone calls her asking about you know, do you teach music? You know, do you teach piano and she's always thrilled when she finds out that there's someone who came through early childhood music classes, music together classes, whatnot, because their brains understand the language of music, their bodies can keep accurate tempo, their voices can sing, and they have a delight in taking that musical understanding that expression out onto a new instrument. So it makes a huge big difference, right?

Kimmy Allen 24:29
Absolutely. Yes.

Natalie Gross 24:31
Cheryl, can you talk about what parents could expect if they came to a class like yours? Like what would the sort of routine be?

Cheryl Sabo 24:38
Oh, for Sir, it's kind of top secret, though. But I'll tell you all this. Okay, that's fair. Here's the secret. So people all think, oh, music is so great for my children. And it is and it's going to be so good for my child's development. And it is in fact in music together. We say music learning supports all learning, because it does it's amazing. It goes so why And so deep, it's such an integral part of our being human. But here's the secret, okay? Don't tell anybody. People sign their kids up and their babies up and their toddlers up for classes for their babies, but they stay for years and years and years, because it's fun for the parents. Because we know that the parent is the most important teacher. And yes, you know, I love getting down on the floor and crawling around and rolling around. I happen to be a yoga teacher too. So I'm fascinated with how our bodies develop gross motor skills, fine motor skills, and how we connect that between upper and lower body. So I'm fascinated with that. I love getting on the floor. I love being a goofball. I love jumping around like a frog. You know, 30 years later, it's a little harder on my knees. But that's okay. I will do it for the kids. But but the thing that's so fun is watching. Yes, watching like Kimmy, you were talking about how the children come in, you know, what is this place, right. And then over the course of a semester, or a couple of years, you know, even maybe a few weeks, you never know, they'll they'll start to trust the routine, they'll start to trust the process. And I see that with the children over and over. And what really delights me is when I see that also with the parents, I mean, mommy's our shell, I mean, they are just shelling out energy 24/7 right now. And so to come into a space, where you are supported, where we give you fun activities that you can do that afternoon, after naptime. While in that time between nap and dinner, you know, musical Peekaboo, lots of vocal games support for home. So you had a great time in class that morning, you filled up your cup of creativity, you made some friends, you interacted with others, you sang, you play little instruments, you had movement activities. And yes, of course, we do a lullaby every day, you got to hear me play my flute. But when you get home, then it's not over. You don't have to wait till next week, because we have hopefully given you information that you can bring to your day when you're going to the grocery store when you're making dinner, when you're in the yard all the time.

Natalie Gross 27:09
That's actually a great segue into my next question, which is like, what are some simple ways that parents can be using music at home with their babies. And, you know, just from personal experience, I know that if I kind of like saying our next activity or like the next set of instructions, my son was, you know, especially when he's younger, a lot more responsive, or it kind of helped instill that in his brain. So curious if you guys have any tips for you know, parents and how they can be using, even if they're not in these classes, but how they can be using music with their babies at home.

Cheryl Sabo 27:41
Oh, my goodness, can I don't backhand I know I'm kind of monopolizing, but I have like a million ideas because I love this so much. I love when I go to the grocery store. And I see a mom with like, a tissue in front of her like she's holding a tissue a clean tissue, and she'll be playing peekaboo right with baby pee go boo pee guru. Like, it doesn't have to be like a song. It doesn't have to be complicated. But that eye contact the voice, the proximity, the sense of mom and baby right there, right? That's there that's available for you. If you have a fancy scarf, great. Use your scarf. If you have a paper towel. Great. Use your paper towel, right? There's so many fun things you can do. And that also supports music development, language development, music learning supports all learning.

Kimmy Allen 28:26
Absolutely, I'd recommend... I know some people's budget ranges from family to family. And I would highly recommend if maybe a music class you know is not in your budget, if you can't afford that. I know there are many music classes that offer free preview class. So definitely try out any you know, just Google music classes, Baby and Me classes in your area. And they vary depending on where you live. Call the call the instructor see if you could try it out and see if it would be a good fit for your baby. And if so, what I encourage my caregivers in each class is take whatever we went over in class and do many models of that at home. So again, they don't have to do you know the whole lesson plan that you had in class, but have a welcome song with your baby? And then do you know a couple of the songs that we did in class. I know in my classes, we send home digital material, we used to send home CDs and everything but now everything's gone digital but definitely take if you do end up enrolling in one of those baby classes. Definitely take advantage of the music material that is sent home and just create little mini music sessions for you and your child and not only does that give your child something to do during the day, I know just hearing from my sisters and from other mommy friends of mine, that sometimes the days can become really long. And it's kind of like Groundhog Day every day. But I think it really helps give you something to look forward to as the caregiver, and something for you to kind of structure and feel involved with your baby's music education.

Natalie Gross 30:13
Stili, do you use music at home with your kid? And do you have any sort of thoughts on what the others have said?

Stiliyana Hristova 30:19
Honestly, I can think but I really love to think so me and my kids are trying to think everything we are trying to try say we are turning everything into song. I'm trying to potty teach training now. And we have a song that we play when he's on the potty. Like everything gets easier when you sing it, in my opinion. So the music makes everything better. So we're using it a lot.

Natalie Gross 30:47
Yeah, that's awesome. Well, before we wrap up, I just wanted to get you all a chance to recommend any good resources, you can talk about your classes a little bit and where people can find out more information and Stili, f you want to share the name of that playlist. I think that'd be great, too.

Stiliyana Hristova 31:05
Of course, like I said, I'm working in a company that is actually producing white noise. And it's not that I'm working in that company. But I really recommend to check our website it is It gets some really nice interesting info about the white noise. And all the info how you can find our artists sleepy calm music and sleeping going on the music platforms. The music we are creating is usually white noise mixed with piano. And I think that piano is giving just one extra chilling vibe to the white noise. Always when I'm mixing the sounds for the playlist, I think about my baby. And if he's going to like it, even though he's already two, we are still sometimes using plain noise, white noise when he's overstimulated or when he's sick, especially when he's sick. Because then this is the time when he's troubles with sleeping, you can try it and check if it's working for your baby. It is very, very helpful, and I think patience always is helpful. I will recommend that patience for all the new parents.

Natalie Gross 32:18
Kimmy or Cheryl, any last thoughts?

Kimmy Allen 32:20
So I would definitely recommend googling free baby music classes in the area or just baby music classes in the area, contact the teachers really start getting involved in in the music community in your area. And then start trying different classes and see which ones fit your baby schedule which one fits you. You know, if it's a bit class, a small class, just start researching and trying and getting socialized. And I know it kind of as the other ladies already stated. It's not only for the baby, but I see it being so helpful for the caregivers to have that socialization with other caregivers. And they build a community with the other moms or caregivers in the groups.

Cheryl Sabo 33:12
Yeah, definitely. There are so many resources out there. I mean, we live in this golden age of actually maybe too much information. But I think there are ways that we can, you know, sort and curate that to our advantage, right? So I would definitely download there's an app called Hello, everybody. And it's available on a variety of platforms. It's a free app, and it comes with eight free welcome songs. So that is open source for anyone to enjoy. It's called Hello everybody. It's a little tale of a little boy waving in a little baseball cap. And then from there, you can do exactly what Kimmy was suggesting you can scroll through and find a class near you and many music together as a worldwide research organization with evidence based curriculum and developmentally appropriate classes for babies, toddlers, preschoolers, and even up through early elementary with a program called rhythm kids by music together which is based on singing and drumming. But in that app Hello, everybody app, you can access the find the class, and many, many, many directors like myself would love to welcome you to try out a class. I know we have a scholarship fund I'm very small personal company, but I love love, love being able to barter and trade and work together in order to maximize my community's ability to access high quality music education for their families. Another place that you can check is libraries often libraries have wonderful programs, and that can support music learning and literacy as well.

Natalie Gross 34:40
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for those recommendations. And thank you so much to all of you Stili, Kimmy and Cheryl who joined us for this episode today. You listeners can find out more about our experts, Kimmy and Cheryl at and respectively. Also check out where we have all of our podcast episodes, plus videos and more.

That wraps up our show for today. We appreciate you listening to Newbies. Don't forget to check out our sister shows Preggie Pals for expecting parents, Parent Savers for moms and dads with toddlers, The Boob Group for moms who get breast milk to their babies, and Twin Talks for parents of multiples. Thanks for listening to Newbies- your go-to source for new moms and new babies.

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