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JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Bath time, two words that can send any parent into a bit of panic
between the child who refuses to bathe to the one that splashes the entire content of the
tub on the floor into fits of squealing laughter. For some bathing is nothing more than a
social and physical requirement of cleanliness. For others it can be a time of quiet
relaxation or fun experimentation with new and exciting adventures in the water. I’m
Jeanne-Marie Paynel and today on Parent Savers we’re talking about making bath time
fund and safe.

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ERIN ESTEVES: Welcome to Parent Savers broadcasting from the birth education center of
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EBEY SORENSON: My name is Ebey Sorenson and I’m 26 years old. I’m a stay at home mom
and my husband and I have a nutrition business. I have one child, a boy who is 6 months
old and I formerly work with children with autism.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yey welcome!

COLINA COROTHERS: Alright hi, got distracted for a moment. I’m Colina. I’m a producer
here at Parent Savers. I have one son Adam who is 14 months old and this will be a really
good discussion for us. He loves bath time but we’re still trying to get into the whole we’re
bathing now we’re not just playing.

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ERIN ESTEVES: Today we’re talking about making bath time fun and safe while learning
and our expert is Jeanne-Marie Paynel a parent of two children of her own. Jeanne-Marie
launched Voila Montessori in response to the overwhelming demand from parents seeking
advice and guidance raising gentle children in a peaceful and supportive environment
that’s conducive to full development.

So thank you so much for coming in and as I said today our topic is bath time. We broke
bath time into a couple of different easy pieces to break down and the first one is
supervision and safety. So we’re going to talk about supervision get this right off the top
first and foremost never leave a child unattended in the bath.
It doesn’t matter how much water is in the bathtub it doesn’t take much to drown a child,
no matter how quickly you can run back into the living room for your phone don’t do it.

COLINA COROTHERS: Okay next.

ERIN ESTEVES: You don’t need… Yes. The next thing we want to do is we want to protect
our environment. We want to make sure that when our kids are in the bath and they are
being supervised from by us or by a caregiver that they don’t slip. You want to make sure
that you have the nice sticky mat and so forth in your tub that they’re not going to fall over
the edge.

There is nothing that can pull down. I know I always throw the shower curtain over the
rods so he can’t grab on to it and we have one of those really long hoses also for the shower
head so I always flip that up also so there’s nothing he can grab on to and also you want to
make sure that you rid the space of any potentially toxic bath or cleaning products whether
they may be beauty products or cleaning products.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That seems to make total sense nothing that could be harmful
that they can reach you know when they’re older and we want them to participate I
recommend like using very small bottles like sample bottles.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh good idea yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So that you know they don’t pour the whole…

ERIN ESTEVES: They don’t dump the whole thing.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So that they have you know they have ownership of the process
but they’re just using a minimum amount. Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh that’s brilliant. I like that. The next one is toy safety and that’s when you
have and keep toys in your shower or bathroom area please make certain that they’re not
extraordinarily porous and that they don’t hold water because this will grow bacteria and
like we said kids the other day my kid drink the water out of the duck.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: No. Not good. Not good. So we have toy Tuesday at my house and that’s on
Tuesday we take all of the toys out of the dishwasher, my son help I mean out of the tum
and my son helps me we carry it, we put it into the dishwasher and we give it a good wash.
You can also dump them all onto a solution of vinegar and water.

I prefer vinegar over Clorox bleach or any kind of bleach and that way you just make
certain that there’s no funky mold or bacteria that could rick havoc on the rest of your day.
So talking more about the safety of bath time, the bath room is a room full of danger and all
this really great products and fun things that kids are drawn to, how do you guys, how do
you ladies take that extra step to make sure that everything is okay and safe when you’re
with your children in the bathroom.

EBEY SORENSON: For me I have a 6 month old so he’s not exactly getting into the toilet
and try to drink out of it yet but when we were in the bath, I take a bath with him and he is
reaching and trying to grab that faucet and so I know that when he’s at an age where that’s
accessible to him without my help I’m trying to get something so that he can’t bunk his
head or injure himself and then eventually I’ll take it off when he kind of get the concepts.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah we did that also and I really hunted around for good ones because
frankly they’re hard to find and they hold water and you get that funkiness slime and there
you know they now they go and put it in their mouth and you’re “blaa” so for me it was
easier say…

EBEY SORENSON: This is a no-no?

ERIN ESTEVES: This is a no-no don’t touch and with turning on and off the water it took
him a while to figure out and have the dexterity and the strength to do it and now that he
could do it it’s one of those things were he’s now able to fill the tub or drain the tub and I
can tell him okay close you know turn the water off or turn the water on if you go further
left it’s going to get more hot and you know so he now is really enjoying that structure. But
things to tend to fly out of the tub in that time and that’s one of the things that we have to
watch out for.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: And going back to the water thing there’s a way to turn down your
temperature range for your water heater so that if you don’t ever want your child to burn
themselves you can turn it below the point that they can…

ERIN ESTEVES: Right that’s a really good idea. Yeah and unfortunately we live in a building
so we have no control over that or ourselves at times but mostly we just watch him like a
hawk.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just for the supervision I like to make it comfortable for the
parents so whether it’s you know making yourself a comfy sit on the toilet or having a little
stool so you can sit next to the bathtub so because it is a time where you do need to be right
there.

ERIN ESTEVES: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And so make it enjoyable for yourself and I remember I mean it’s
been a while that I’ve supervise my children taking a bath, I have one that I need to remind
to take a shower every once in a while but I remember you know siting and reading a book.

COLINA COROTHERS: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just making it you know a time that it’s we’re together and it’s
enjoyable. So…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah I use that time to our bath room is also our closet, we live in a loft so
it’s kind of an unconventional space so that’s were all of our drawers and dressers are so I
use that time to like fold laundry and you know he’s right there and yeah it’s if you’re not
lucky enough to have your clothing in your bathroom you can always clean out your
drawers.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And it’s a nice time to have conversation...

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: To just sit down and you know how was your day?

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just enjoy it and talk about you know give language about water
about the toys about absorbency about you know pouring all of that.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh yeah well that brings us into the next section which is the fun and
learning aspect of bath time.

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ERIN ESTEVES: Today at Parent Savers we’re talking about fun while learning in bath time.
So fun I’m going to talk about traditional and non-traditional toys in the tub. We all think
about Sesame Street and Ernie with the little rubber ducky and I’m sure if you had a baby
shower you got a rubber ducky.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh yes.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: More than one.

COLINA COROTHERS: So many ducks. Oh my gosh.

ERIN ESTEVES: At some point so those are some of the traditional kind of toys you know
you have the ducks or the fish but in my research for this I found some really cool activities
or non-traditional toys that you can use in the tub.
The first one was pool noodles. Hello. I never thought of taking the pool noodle into the tub
but yeah you get pool noodles and you can cut them up into smaller pieces and another
thing that I had and this goes to learning was craft foam. Have you guys ever heard of your
eyes like went big. So the idea is you get craft foam in different colors and you cut different
shapes so you make blocks so to speak and the kids can stick them to the bathroom wall.

COLINA COROTHERS: Okay.

ERIN ESTEVES: So they can like build or draw on the wall.

COLINA COROTHERS: That’s kind of like the ones you can get I know that there are some
out there because I remember having this as kids ourselves it was like the letters and is
that kind of the same idea with the foamy letters and you could stick them to the wall, the
shower and they’d float around and inevitably end up with teeth marks all in them but…

ERIN ESTEVES: Sure.

COLINA COROTHERS: So kind of same idea but you have more play because you can create
whatever you want.

ERIN ESTEVES: See and that’s exactly because I have so many memories as a kid of playing
in the tub you know you’re thrown in there with your cousin or your sibling or something
and it was always a lot of fun so I want to make sure that my son has that same approach
and I do understand that at some point it’s just going to be about cleanliness and hygiene
but right now it’s just about first of all killing time because…

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: We need him to keep occupied for that half an hour of winding down time
before bed so he sees it as a ritual and that sort of thing but also it’s a good time to
experiment because I don’t necessarily want him playing with water out in the living room.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: I like to introduce sponges so different types of sponges so
there’s natural sponges and then just cut out you know kitchen sponges in small pieces just
that whole idea of absorbency so even having a container that they can you know squeeze
some water into and that’s a learning experience right there about absorbency. Also maybe
having different little object some that sink, some that float so they’re again were learning
you know about physics.

I mean it’s just it’s interesting to you know have that conversation and test things out and
then yes pouring. I mean pouring is you know an eye hand coordination wonderful activity
that you can incorporate in the bath. I like to do it you know mostly in the kitchen but the
bathtub is also a great place to learn it because then you’re not worrying about the spills
and so on. So yes.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah I threw in I went to the kitchen and I got a bunch of different items
and took them into the tub so I got a calendar, I got the measuring cups, a funnel…

COLINA COROTHERS: A fan.

ERIN ESTEVES: You know all that sort of thing different size containers so he could see you
know things with lids and things without so that you know he could play with the water
and see the sheave like blue is mine and he could not understand you know he would scoop
up but the water was gone where did it go kind of thing. So I think that was that’s a really
neat way for them to play in the tub.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah and you don’t need to go out and buy all of these new bath items
explore those stuff. You have most of it in your kitchen turkey waster.

ERIN ESTEVES: Hello.

EBEY SORENSON: Have fun I know. I remember as a kid using like a yogurt container and I
put it under water I pull it up and the water stays in the yogurt container it’s like the most
mind blowing thing for a three year old.

ERIN ESTEVES: It’s magic.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Or pushing it down how it resist with the air.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh yeah yes.

EBEY SORENSON: Even the little nose suction things that you use as an infant they’re great
for experimenting sucking something up and pushing the water out.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh I call those mokle monsters.

EBEY SORENSON: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes. Oh I think that’s a great idea and I have we have like three or four of
those and it know just throw them in there.

EBEY SORENSON: Play yeah play doctor or whatever.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Oh very cool.

ERIN ESTEVES: The next one I have is bath art. I don’t know how you girls feel about this
because some of the items that you can get out there can be lean a little too heavily in my
opinion you know on like chemical and the toxics and stuff because you can get like
readymade bath crowns or bath paint. You can there are tons of recipes and I have the links
on how to make bath paints and you can make them like glow in the dark.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh my gosh.

ERIN ESTEVES: People put like food coloring in the tub. Would you put food coloring in the
tub?

COLINA COROTHERS: I’ll be scared about it staining. That would be my only thing. I mean
if it was like a super I mean nothing probably oil base super water-soluble maybe I don’t
know.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And to me honestly I would be careful as to not confuse the child
as what bath time is all about. Bath time is about you know getting plain and it’s kind of you
know part of your routine of the day so if we start like having all these you know activities
and experimenting and all these it’s a little confusing I don’t know. Personally I would keep
that to an experiment that we could do outside or whatever than actually in the bath tub
just…

EBEY SORENSON: I think that’s a good point. Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah and also I’m afraid that he come out looking like Veruca Salt from you
know…

COLINA COROTHERS: Willy Wonka.

ERIN ESTEVES: Willy Wonka.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: A great merge of the two though is shaving cream.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes.

EBEY SORENSON: That’s something that’s a healthcare item and kids are obsess with the
texture and it’s really easy and cheap if you get one that’s more natural if you’re concern
about those and plus they see you know what a partner might be doing.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: True so true.

EBEY SORENSON: You want to practice shaving and so they can you know do on their arms
and it’s a lot better.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That’s a good idea.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: And you can even dye it with like if you look online there are things that
you can dye it so it’s more paint texture like.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah and if they taste it they won’t be thrilled. So…

EBEY SORENSON: No it tastes terrible.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: That’s a great idea. The other really cool tip bit that I learned was ice cubes
surprise.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: Where you make ice cubes and you put little tiny toys in while you freeze it
and so then on hotter days you can just throw those in the water and as they melt they can
learn about that and the last one was Go Fish just I thought it was a neat game where you
get a net for fish tanks and scoop things.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah we also had Stacey Spensley online. She mention some of the
yogurt tubs it’s funny she actually specifically mentioned yogurt tubs and measuring cups
to scoop and pour but she also said they have a hand held shower head that they kind of let
him play with very carefully because his aim wasn’t so good or at least making sure that’
he’s not going to spray the mom but that’s another thing and I think that kind of ties in to
the self-care too because you know you can learn about where the water supposed to go
and rinsing yourself off but then it’s still kind of a fun aspect.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yes no I would agree with that. I mean if we show them from the
beginning how to use it properly you know it’s it needs repetition for them to master it so
yes mom might get sprayed a few times but that’s okay it’s all part of it right.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah exactly.

EBEY SORENSON: I still have difficulty mastering [inaudible] you know.

ERIN ESTEVES: So we’ve talk about the safety aspect of bathing our children and the fun
aspect of bathing our children but now let’s talk about empowering our children to
essentially learn how to bathe themselves. And Jeanne-Marie you have some great advice
for this.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Well I mean first of all it’s just you know as people know I’m
tend to really look at the home from the child’s perspective and so the bath room is a very
important room in our home and children need to have their own space there. So I really
recommend you know putting a low shelf down at their level so that they have their little
brush and their little toothbrush and a mirror down low so they can see themselves when
they’re just standing there.

You know always having of course access to the sink and so forth. So you know even some
hooks down low where they can hang their little bath robes so that that’s part of that
routine of the bath.

COLINA COROTHERS: Right..

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And that you know from the beginning empowering them
especially walking children I mean this you know beforehand we’re mostly dealing with
them but soon as the children are walking, there’s a lot of things they can do for themselves
so it’s again it’s about the environment that we create for them. So if we create an
environment where they can be successful as taking care of themselves you know for
example I mention earlier getting those little travel sample bottles.

EBEY SORENSON: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Those are great I mean it takes a little prep work beforehand but
you know that there’s not going to be an excess amount of soup in the bathtub. So you’re
just putting what you know you’re controlling the environment in a way but they’re totally
independent, they know what they need to do. So you’ve you know you’ve shown them
along the way since they were infants of you know a little bit of soap a little bit of water and
so forth and now they can start doing it on their own which I really it really helps them take
ownership of it and not be you know fighting it because it’s their job. They get to do it.

ERIN ESTEVES: I’m super excited…

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: You’re sitting here and imagining my bathroom the changes I’m going to
make in my bath room because you’re right he doesn’t have any space in there. If we do this
my thing is that I need to teach my child to be self-sufficient. That’s my one role as a parent
because I’m not going to be there forever.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And this is we have to remember that this are basic needs that
our children have. They want to be independent so we need to empower them and I really
think that it starts with the environment that we create for them if we bring things down
low with their level they don’t need to ask us and we don’t’ need pick them up to do things
and so forth it really empowers them. It gives them that confidence like hey I can take care
of myself so and it takes a lot of stress off of parents so.

ERIN ESTEVES: I’m so excited already with just that. So I know we had a question another
question from Facebook.

COLINA COROTHERS: We did so this one well let’s do when we were talking about selfcared
self-sufficiency one question that we had Elaine was how do I reduce the fear of hair
washing.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That is off of unfortunately it usually comes either from a low
mishap were shampoo do get into the eyes of one point so of course we want to use you
know shampoos that don’t…

EBEY SORENSON: Irritate.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Irritate I would even you know say really minimal anything just
because it’s not really that dirty if we just rinse it off with water often times it’s fine and
then the other thing is sometimes we have childhood memories of things not going well
and we didn’t like it and all these so it’s really keeping ourselves in check as to what our
attitudes and not to bring our fears to the table because really there’s no reason if from
infancy we’ve you know gently wash the hair and all this there really should be…

EBEY SORENSON: No fear.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: No fear establish so you know being careful not to use products
that will irritate and using minimal products for one and again you know as soon as they
can to give them like a little picture where they can pour the water on their own head were
you know we really show them how to latter lathe themselves and so on. And you know
sometimes even taking a bath with them were they can wash your hair and you can take
turns so it’s really something that is a happy moment and it doesn’t have to be fear base.
EBEY SORENSON: And a good transition for kids when their having that fear is often times
when you get water part on head your reflex is to look down and it goes in your eyes you
can put a picture or something where the ceiling meets the wall and tell them okay it’s time
to rinse your hair, go you know look up at Elmo or if you have some item up there they look
up eventually you’re going to fade that so you don’t need that and they know where to look.
That way the water doesn’t get in their eyes.

ERIN ESTEVES: I…

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That’s a great idea.

ERIN ESTEVES: Love that.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah it’s perfect they see like okay this is safe and I know what to
expect.

ERIN ESTEVES: This is how are we supposed to do it.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah and surprising them.

ERIN ESTEVES: That’s great because that’s the issue with my boy that he no matter times
we try it I’ve given him the pitcher of water, I’ve let him he just doesn’t want to do it. So we
just pretty much only really wash his hair when he has food in it.

COLINA COROTHERS: We have another question from Stacey Spensley. She just wanted to
know if we have any tips of preventing the toddler from flipping water out of the tub or
climbing out. She said it makes her nervous to grab him because he’s slippery and I don’t
want to make it worst.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So flinging the water out of the tub I’m sorry to say that is called
exploration they will do it no matter what you try.

ERIN ESTEVES: I see this an opportunity to mop the floor.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Exactly. Well that’s exactly what I was going to say is you know
have some old towels lying around cut up and show the child when bathtub is done how to
clean up the bath room that’s just part of the routine and you know probably that will get a
little boring and maybe the flinging of the water will stop or you know there might be an
experiment where a lot of water goes out…

COLINA COROTHERS: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And you know so on but sure we’re going to want to say you
know it’s better to keep the water in the bathtub but know that you know a child is
exploring is going to experiment with all that and then the other thing about the safety of
them climbing out that’s really you know where you have to give those limits in a very firm
and kind way and just you know mommy can’t let you get out of the bathtub while you’re
wet and soapy. It’s dangerous I can’t let you do that. So it’s really that’s where that whole
supervision piece comes in that you’re there and just you remind them that you know I love
you I can’t let you do this it’s dangerous.

ERIN ESTEVES: I just tell Cash I’m like oh okay pajama time let go let’s go let’s go pajamas
and he is like “oh no no no no” and he’ll make his way back it.

COLINA COROTHERS: I yeah we ask are you all done and it you know if he is then he’ll
usually he’ll kind of signs a little bit so he’ll sign all done and if not hoop right back into the
shower he goes. So the all done he knows the finality of that. So if we ask if he’s all done and
he’s not he knows don’t get out.

ERIN ESTEVES: Right!

EBEY SORENSON: And for those slippery I think the side of the tub is the most concerning
part…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes.

EBEY SORENSON: For parents you can put a towel there…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: If you’re really concern about or cut out a yoga mat so that it’s you can
also use that for your elbows if you’re bathing a child.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: But…

ERIN ESTEVES: You’re so smart.

EBEY SORENSON: I mean it’s all about trying to create something that’s going to give you a
little bit of time so you can help redirect them in appropriate way without you know having
an injury.

ERIN ESTEVES: So Jeanne-Marie you have a really good point to make a good tip for us
regarding bubble bath.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah I were you know bubble bath supposedly makes it fun and
all this for children it just be aware that especially for girls to sit in bubble bath too long can
be a really bad irritant and can cause yeast infections and so forth when they’re young. So I
would really limit the use of especially chemically base bubble baths.

ERIN ESTEVES: I had no idea and Ebey you were saying?

EBEY SORENSON: Oh when I was young yeah I suffered a lot even at the age of 6 I
remember and I knew UTIs are another concern for parents…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes definitely.

EBEY SORENSON: Even for boys too that can be a problem.

ERIN ESTEVES: And so we stay away from bubble bats because he’ll drink it.

COLINA COROTHERS: Well I’ve seen some products out there that actually are directed
more towards little girls if that’s something you still want to participate in there’re I’ve
seen some that I actually purchase not because of this but it just happen to be an extra
bonus and it’s ph balance so that way it’s something that if you do have a little girl and she’s
you know she’s going to be in the bath there’s products out there but you have to really be
careful and look.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah to pay attention to it. That’s great advice. Thank so much to Jeanne-
Marie Paynel of Viola Montessori this conversation continues for members of our Parent
Savers club. After the show Jeanne-Marie will tell us more about ways we can empower our
children during bath time and in particular regarding potty training. For more information
about the Parent Savers club visit our website at www.newmommymedia.com .

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DAMIAN JACKSON: Hey Parent Savers this is Detective Damian Jackson of the Escondido
Police Department Family Protection Unit and The Internet Crimes against Children Task
Force here in San Diego California. As part of the Escondido Police Department’s on-going
series of community outreach education to help families enhance their personal safety. I’m
here today to talk to you about family tree stickers on the back of your car. You know the
ones I’m talking about. Why on earth do you have them on there?

Every time I’m driving behind someone that has those stickers I want to get out of my car
on the next red light pull out a razor blade and scrape those things off the window. Of
course you’re proud of your family. Who wouldn’t be? They’re the most awesome people in
the world and they’re your pride and joy. So what’s the harm in having these stickers? Let
me paint a scenario for you to ponder.

Let’s say a local child predator has spent some time driving behind you studying the names
below those stickers on your back window. I mean you have them all conveniently listed
right down to the family dog. Then they happen to chance across one of your children and
has this little exchange with them. Billy Billy oh I’m so glad I found you. You’re dog Rex got
hit by a car and your mom Jennifer had to go and get your sister Alice and take her to the
Veterinarian. Hop in to my car quick and we’ll call your dad Bob on the way over there.
Well as you can see what might seem like an innocent set of stickers on the back of your car
can open you and your family up to be and victimize by predators.

If a stranger walk up to you somewhere and ask you what your children’s names where
would you tell them? Of course you wouldn’t so why would you openly advertise to the
hundreds of strangers every single day on the open road? Scrape those things off and
protect your family’s privacy. For more information on how you can help keep your family
safe visit us on Facebook or Twitter at /escondidopolice. With the Escondido Police
Department and The San Diego Internet Crimes against Children Task Force, I’m Detective
Damian Jackson reminding you and your family to be smart and be safe.

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ERIN ESTEVES: That wraps up our show for today. We appreciate you listening to Parent
Savers.
Don’t forget to check out our sister shows:
- Preggie Pals for expecting parents
- The Boob Group for moms who breastfeed and
- Twin Talks for parents of multiple kids.
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Making Bathtime Fun and Safe for Kids

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[Theme Music]

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Bath time, two words that can send any parent into a bit of panic
between the child who refuses to bathe to the one that splashes the entire content of the
tub on the floor into fits of squealing laughter. For some bathing is nothing more than a
social and physical requirement of cleanliness. For others it can be a time of quiet
relaxation or fun experimentation with new and exciting adventures in the water. I’m
Jeanne-Marie Paynel and today on Parent Savers we’re talking about making bath time
fund and safe.

[Theme Music/Intro]

ERIN ESTEVES: Welcome to Parent Savers broadcasting from the birth education center of
San Diego. Parent Savers is your weekly online on the go support group for parents from
conception to kindergarten. I’m your host Erin Esteves A.K.A OG Mamasita.
Thanks to all of our loyal listeners who join us week in and week out and thanks to those
who were listening for the first time. As you may or may not know you can join our Parent
Savers club and receive access to special bonus content after each new show plus special
giveaways and discounts from time to time.

If you haven’t already please make sure to download the free Parent Savers app available in
the Android and iTunes market places and for Windows phone so you can automatically
have access to all the great parenting advice and conversation we have on Parent Savers
every week. Let’s start this week’s conversation by meeting everyone who is joining us.

EBEY SORENSON: My name is Ebey Sorenson and I’m 26 years old. I’m a stay at home mom
and my husband and I have a nutrition business. I have one child, a boy who is 6 months
old and I formerly work with children with autism.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yey welcome!

COLINA COROTHERS: Alright hi, got distracted for a moment. I’m Colina. I’m a producer
here at Parent Savers. I have one son Adam who is 14 months old and this will be a really
good discussion for us. He loves bath time but we’re still trying to get into the whole we’re
bathing now we’re not just playing.

If you can’t join us here in the studio you can always join us online we have a Facebook
page you can like and follow us post your questions there. You can also follow us on
Twitter. We will be posting throughout our shows using the #parentsaversvp and then you
can also check us out on Google Plus so lots of ways to connect, lots of ways to be involved
if you’re not local and have a question.

ERIN ESTEVES: Excellent. Well thank you and welcome everyone. As I said I’m Erin Esteves
A.K.A OG Mamasita and the OG Stands for officially geriatric. Yes I’m a mother of advance
maternal age. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much for calling me old so I decided
to take it and run with it. So I have one boy he is 2 and half getting close to 3 and he is
awesome. I love being a mom.

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ALISA DILORENZO: Hello Parent Savers, this is Alisa Dilorenzo co-founder of ONE
Extraordinary Marriage where we educate, entertain, encourage and inspire you to have
mind-blowing intimacy in your marriage. Today we’re going to talk about rediscovering
your sex life for a happy marriage. If you marriage is anything like ours then you have times
when your sex life is fallen into the pattern of same time, same place, same position, every
time. Can you say boring? We know because we’ve had boring sex.

The key to rediscovering your sex life is to get out of your comfort zone. By stepping out of
your comfort zone where you tell yourself you can and can’t do you’ll begin to try
something new a little bit at a time. There are numerous games you can play to spice up
your sex life. Some of the ones that we have enjoyed are naked we bowling, naked we
baseball, sex stack and romantic scratchers. We’ve also enjoyed foreplay dice, strip poker
and others. Each one can help you get more comfortable being around one another while
naked.

One area that lacks creativity for many couples is where they have sex. For the majority of
couples, it’s in the bed room on the bed. Make it a goal of yours to try new places to spice up
your sex life. You can make love in your living room, bath room even your backyard.
Experimenting with a new position or two can help you break out of the routines and bring
excitement back into your marriage.

Sex toys are another area where the two of you can explore new things. Use a silk towel, a
vibrator or whatever works for the both of you. Choose one of these ideas or all of them
over the upcoming weeks and months to rediscover your sex life for a happy marriage.
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to Parent Savers for more great parenting tips in the future.

[Theme Music]

ERIN ESTEVES: Today we’re talking about making bath time fun and safe while learning
and our expert is Jeanne-Marie Paynel a parent of two children of her own. Jeanne-Marie
launched Voila Montessori in response to the overwhelming demand from parents seeking
advice and guidance raising gentle children in a peaceful and supportive environment
that’s conducive to full development.

So thank you so much for coming in and as I said today our topic is bath time. We broke
bath time into a couple of different easy pieces to break down and the first one is
supervision and safety. So we’re going to talk about supervision get this right off the top
first and foremost never leave a child unattended in the bath.
It doesn’t matter how much water is in the bathtub it doesn’t take much to drown a child,
no matter how quickly you can run back into the living room for your phone don’t do it.

COLINA COROTHERS: Okay next.

ERIN ESTEVES: You don’t need… Yes. The next thing we want to do is we want to protect
our environment. We want to make sure that when our kids are in the bath and they are
being supervised from by us or by a caregiver that they don’t slip. You want to make sure
that you have the nice sticky mat and so forth in your tub that they’re not going to fall over
the edge.

There is nothing that can pull down. I know I always throw the shower curtain over the
rods so he can’t grab on to it and we have one of those really long hoses also for the shower
head so I always flip that up also so there’s nothing he can grab on to and also you want to
make sure that you rid the space of any potentially toxic bath or cleaning products whether
they may be beauty products or cleaning products.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That seems to make total sense nothing that could be harmful
that they can reach you know when they’re older and we want them to participate I
recommend like using very small bottles like sample bottles.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh good idea yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So that you know they don’t pour the whole…

ERIN ESTEVES: They don’t dump the whole thing.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So that they have you know they have ownership of the process
but they’re just using a minimum amount. Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh that’s brilliant. I like that. The next one is toy safety and that’s when you
have and keep toys in your shower or bathroom area please make certain that they’re not
extraordinarily porous and that they don’t hold water because this will grow bacteria and
like we said kids the other day my kid drink the water out of the duck.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: No. Not good. Not good. So we have toy Tuesday at my house and that’s on
Tuesday we take all of the toys out of the dishwasher, my son help I mean out of the tum
and my son helps me we carry it, we put it into the dishwasher and we give it a good wash.
You can also dump them all onto a solution of vinegar and water.

I prefer vinegar over Clorox bleach or any kind of bleach and that way you just make
certain that there’s no funky mold or bacteria that could rick havoc on the rest of your day.
So talking more about the safety of bath time, the bath room is a room full of danger and all
this really great products and fun things that kids are drawn to, how do you guys, how do
you ladies take that extra step to make sure that everything is okay and safe when you’re
with your children in the bathroom.

EBEY SORENSON: For me I have a 6 month old so he’s not exactly getting into the toilet
and try to drink out of it yet but when we were in the bath, I take a bath with him and he is
reaching and trying to grab that faucet and so I know that when he’s at an age where that’s
accessible to him without my help I’m trying to get something so that he can’t bunk his
head or injure himself and then eventually I’ll take it off when he kind of get the concepts.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah we did that also and I really hunted around for good ones because
frankly they’re hard to find and they hold water and you get that funkiness slime and there
you know they now they go and put it in their mouth and you’re “blaa” so for me it was
easier say…

EBEY SORENSON: This is a no-no?

ERIN ESTEVES: This is a no-no don’t touch and with turning on and off the water it took
him a while to figure out and have the dexterity and the strength to do it and now that he
could do it it’s one of those things were he’s now able to fill the tub or drain the tub and I
can tell him okay close you know turn the water off or turn the water on if you go further
left it’s going to get more hot and you know so he now is really enjoying that structure. But
things to tend to fly out of the tub in that time and that’s one of the things that we have to
watch out for.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: And going back to the water thing there’s a way to turn down your
temperature range for your water heater so that if you don’t ever want your child to burn
themselves you can turn it below the point that they can…

ERIN ESTEVES: Right that’s a really good idea. Yeah and unfortunately we live in a building
so we have no control over that or ourselves at times but mostly we just watch him like a
hawk.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just for the supervision I like to make it comfortable for the
parents so whether it’s you know making yourself a comfy sit on the toilet or having a little
stool so you can sit next to the bathtub so because it is a time where you do need to be right
there.

ERIN ESTEVES: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And so make it enjoyable for yourself and I remember I mean it’s
been a while that I’ve supervise my children taking a bath, I have one that I need to remind
to take a shower every once in a while but I remember you know siting and reading a book.

COLINA COROTHERS: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just making it you know a time that it’s we’re together and it’s
enjoyable. So…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah I use that time to our bath room is also our closet, we live in a loft so
it’s kind of an unconventional space so that’s were all of our drawers and dressers are so I
use that time to like fold laundry and you know he’s right there and yeah it’s if you’re not
lucky enough to have your clothing in your bathroom you can always clean out your
drawers.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And it’s a nice time to have conversation...

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: To just sit down and you know how was your day?

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Just enjoy it and talk about you know give language about water
about the toys about absorbency about you know pouring all of that.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh yeah well that brings us into the next section which is the fun and
learning aspect of bath time.

[Theme Music]

ERIN ESTEVES: Today at Parent Savers we’re talking about fun while learning in bath time.
So fun I’m going to talk about traditional and non-traditional toys in the tub. We all think
about Sesame Street and Ernie with the little rubber ducky and I’m sure if you had a baby
shower you got a rubber ducky.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh yes.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: More than one.

COLINA COROTHERS: So many ducks. Oh my gosh.

ERIN ESTEVES: At some point so those are some of the traditional kind of toys you know
you have the ducks or the fish but in my research for this I found some really cool activities
or non-traditional toys that you can use in the tub.
The first one was pool noodles. Hello. I never thought of taking the pool noodle into the tub
but yeah you get pool noodles and you can cut them up into smaller pieces and another
thing that I had and this goes to learning was craft foam. Have you guys ever heard of your
eyes like went big. So the idea is you get craft foam in different colors and you cut different
shapes so you make blocks so to speak and the kids can stick them to the bathroom wall.

COLINA COROTHERS: Okay.

ERIN ESTEVES: So they can like build or draw on the wall.

COLINA COROTHERS: That’s kind of like the ones you can get I know that there are some
out there because I remember having this as kids ourselves it was like the letters and is
that kind of the same idea with the foamy letters and you could stick them to the wall, the
shower and they’d float around and inevitably end up with teeth marks all in them but…

ERIN ESTEVES: Sure.

COLINA COROTHERS: So kind of same idea but you have more play because you can create
whatever you want.

ERIN ESTEVES: See and that’s exactly because I have so many memories as a kid of playing
in the tub you know you’re thrown in there with your cousin or your sibling or something
and it was always a lot of fun so I want to make sure that my son has that same approach
and I do understand that at some point it’s just going to be about cleanliness and hygiene
but right now it’s just about first of all killing time because…

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: We need him to keep occupied for that half an hour of winding down time
before bed so he sees it as a ritual and that sort of thing but also it’s a good time to
experiment because I don’t necessarily want him playing with water out in the living room.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: I like to introduce sponges so different types of sponges so
there’s natural sponges and then just cut out you know kitchen sponges in small pieces just
that whole idea of absorbency so even having a container that they can you know squeeze
some water into and that’s a learning experience right there about absorbency. Also maybe
having different little object some that sink, some that float so they’re again were learning
you know about physics.

I mean it’s just it’s interesting to you know have that conversation and test things out and
then yes pouring. I mean pouring is you know an eye hand coordination wonderful activity
that you can incorporate in the bath. I like to do it you know mostly in the kitchen but the
bathtub is also a great place to learn it because then you’re not worrying about the spills
and so on. So yes.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah I threw in I went to the kitchen and I got a bunch of different items
and took them into the tub so I got a calendar, I got the measuring cups, a funnel…

COLINA COROTHERS: A fan.

ERIN ESTEVES: You know all that sort of thing different size containers so he could see you
know things with lids and things without so that you know he could play with the water
and see the sheave like blue is mine and he could not understand you know he would scoop
up but the water was gone where did it go kind of thing. So I think that was that’s a really
neat way for them to play in the tub.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah and you don’t need to go out and buy all of these new bath items
explore those stuff. You have most of it in your kitchen turkey waster.

ERIN ESTEVES: Hello.

EBEY SORENSON: Have fun I know. I remember as a kid using like a yogurt container and I
put it under water I pull it up and the water stays in the yogurt container it’s like the most
mind blowing thing for a three year old.

ERIN ESTEVES: It’s magic.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Or pushing it down how it resist with the air.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh yeah yes.

EBEY SORENSON: Even the little nose suction things that you use as an infant they’re great
for experimenting sucking something up and pushing the water out.

ERIN ESTEVES: Oh I call those mokle monsters.

EBEY SORENSON: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes. Oh I think that’s a great idea and I have we have like three or four of
those and it know just throw them in there.

EBEY SORENSON: Play yeah play doctor or whatever.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Oh very cool.

ERIN ESTEVES: The next one I have is bath art. I don’t know how you girls feel about this
because some of the items that you can get out there can be lean a little too heavily in my
opinion you know on like chemical and the toxics and stuff because you can get like
readymade bath crowns or bath paint. You can there are tons of recipes and I have the links
on how to make bath paints and you can make them like glow in the dark.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh my gosh.

ERIN ESTEVES: People put like food coloring in the tub. Would you put food coloring in the
tub?

COLINA COROTHERS: I’ll be scared about it staining. That would be my only thing. I mean
if it was like a super I mean nothing probably oil base super water-soluble maybe I don’t
know.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And to me honestly I would be careful as to not confuse the child
as what bath time is all about. Bath time is about you know getting plain and it’s kind of you
know part of your routine of the day so if we start like having all these you know activities
and experimenting and all these it’s a little confusing I don’t know. Personally I would keep
that to an experiment that we could do outside or whatever than actually in the bath tub
just…

EBEY SORENSON: I think that’s a good point. Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah and also I’m afraid that he come out looking like Veruca Salt from you
know…

COLINA COROTHERS: Willy Wonka.

ERIN ESTEVES: Willy Wonka.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: A great merge of the two though is shaving cream.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes.

EBEY SORENSON: That’s something that’s a healthcare item and kids are obsess with the
texture and it’s really easy and cheap if you get one that’s more natural if you’re concern
about those and plus they see you know what a partner might be doing.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: True so true.

EBEY SORENSON: You want to practice shaving and so they can you know do on their arms
and it’s a lot better.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That’s a good idea.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: And you can even dye it with like if you look online there are things that
you can dye it so it’s more paint texture like.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah and if they taste it they won’t be thrilled. So…

EBEY SORENSON: No it tastes terrible.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: That’s a great idea. The other really cool tip bit that I learned was ice cubes
surprise.

COLINA COROTHERS: Oh.

ERIN ESTEVES: Where you make ice cubes and you put little tiny toys in while you freeze it
and so then on hotter days you can just throw those in the water and as they melt they can
learn about that and the last one was Go Fish just I thought it was a neat game where you
get a net for fish tanks and scoop things.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah we also had Stacey Spensley online. She mention some of the
yogurt tubs it’s funny she actually specifically mentioned yogurt tubs and measuring cups
to scoop and pour but she also said they have a hand held shower head that they kind of let
him play with very carefully because his aim wasn’t so good or at least making sure that’
he’s not going to spray the mom but that’s another thing and I think that kind of ties in to
the self-care too because you know you can learn about where the water supposed to go
and rinsing yourself off but then it’s still kind of a fun aspect.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yes no I would agree with that. I mean if we show them from the
beginning how to use it properly you know it’s it needs repetition for them to master it so
yes mom might get sprayed a few times but that’s okay it’s all part of it right.

COLINA COROTHERS: Yeah exactly.

EBEY SORENSON: I still have difficulty mastering [inaudible] you know.

ERIN ESTEVES: So we’ve talk about the safety aspect of bathing our children and the fun
aspect of bathing our children but now let’s talk about empowering our children to
essentially learn how to bathe themselves. And Jeanne-Marie you have some great advice
for this.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Well I mean first of all it’s just you know as people know I’m
tend to really look at the home from the child’s perspective and so the bath room is a very
important room in our home and children need to have their own space there. So I really
recommend you know putting a low shelf down at their level so that they have their little
brush and their little toothbrush and a mirror down low so they can see themselves when
they’re just standing there.

You know always having of course access to the sink and so forth. So you know even some
hooks down low where they can hang their little bath robes so that that’s part of that
routine of the bath.

COLINA COROTHERS: Right..

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And that you know from the beginning empowering them
especially walking children I mean this you know beforehand we’re mostly dealing with
them but soon as the children are walking, there’s a lot of things they can do for themselves
so it’s again it’s about the environment that we create for them. So if we create an
environment where they can be successful as taking care of themselves you know for
example I mention earlier getting those little travel sample bottles.

EBEY SORENSON: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Those are great I mean it takes a little prep work beforehand but
you know that there’s not going to be an excess amount of soup in the bathtub. So you’re
just putting what you know you’re controlling the environment in a way but they’re totally
independent, they know what they need to do. So you’ve you know you’ve shown them
along the way since they were infants of you know a little bit of soap a little bit of water and
so forth and now they can start doing it on their own which I really it really helps them take
ownership of it and not be you know fighting it because it’s their job. They get to do it.

ERIN ESTEVES: I’m super excited…

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah.

ERIN ESTEVES: You’re sitting here and imagining my bathroom the changes I’m going to
make in my bath room because you’re right he doesn’t have any space in there. If we do this
my thing is that I need to teach my child to be self-sufficient. That’s my one role as a parent
because I’m not going to be there forever.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And this is we have to remember that this are basic needs that
our children have. They want to be independent so we need to empower them and I really
think that it starts with the environment that we create for them if we bring things down
low with their level they don’t need to ask us and we don’t’ need pick them up to do things
and so forth it really empowers them. It gives them that confidence like hey I can take care
of myself so and it takes a lot of stress off of parents so.

ERIN ESTEVES: I’m so excited already with just that. So I know we had a question another
question from Facebook.

COLINA COROTHERS: We did so this one well let’s do when we were talking about selfcared
self-sufficiency one question that we had Elaine was how do I reduce the fear of hair
washing.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That is off of unfortunately it usually comes either from a low
mishap were shampoo do get into the eyes of one point so of course we want to use you
know shampoos that don’t…

EBEY SORENSON: Irritate.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Irritate I would even you know say really minimal anything just
because it’s not really that dirty if we just rinse it off with water often times it’s fine and
then the other thing is sometimes we have childhood memories of things not going well
and we didn’t like it and all these so it’s really keeping ourselves in check as to what our
attitudes and not to bring our fears to the table because really there’s no reason if from
infancy we’ve you know gently wash the hair and all this there really should be…

EBEY SORENSON: No fear.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: No fear establish so you know being careful not to use products
that will irritate and using minimal products for one and again you know as soon as they
can to give them like a little picture where they can pour the water on their own head were
you know we really show them how to latter lathe themselves and so on. And you know
sometimes even taking a bath with them were they can wash your hair and you can take
turns so it’s really something that is a happy moment and it doesn’t have to be fear base.
EBEY SORENSON: And a good transition for kids when their having that fear is often times
when you get water part on head your reflex is to look down and it goes in your eyes you
can put a picture or something where the ceiling meets the wall and tell them okay it’s time
to rinse your hair, go you know look up at Elmo or if you have some item up there they look
up eventually you’re going to fade that so you don’t need that and they know where to look.
That way the water doesn’t get in their eyes.

ERIN ESTEVES: I…

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: That’s a great idea.

ERIN ESTEVES: Love that.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah it’s perfect they see like okay this is safe and I know what to
expect.

ERIN ESTEVES: This is how are we supposed to do it.

EBEY SORENSON: Yeah and surprising them.

ERIN ESTEVES: That’s great because that’s the issue with my boy that he no matter times
we try it I’ve given him the pitcher of water, I’ve let him he just doesn’t want to do it. So we
just pretty much only really wash his hair when he has food in it.

COLINA COROTHERS: We have another question from Stacey Spensley. She just wanted to
know if we have any tips of preventing the toddler from flipping water out of the tub or
climbing out. She said it makes her nervous to grab him because he’s slippery and I don’t
want to make it worst.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: So flinging the water out of the tub I’m sorry to say that is called
exploration they will do it no matter what you try.

ERIN ESTEVES: I see this an opportunity to mop the floor.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Exactly. Well that’s exactly what I was going to say is you know
have some old towels lying around cut up and show the child when bathtub is done how to
clean up the bath room that’s just part of the routine and you know probably that will get a
little boring and maybe the flinging of the water will stop or you know there might be an
experiment where a lot of water goes out…

COLINA COROTHERS: Right.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: And you know so on but sure we’re going to want to say you
know it’s better to keep the water in the bathtub but know that you know a child is
exploring is going to experiment with all that and then the other thing about the safety of
them climbing out that’s really you know where you have to give those limits in a very firm
and kind way and just you know mommy can’t let you get out of the bathtub while you’re
wet and soapy. It’s dangerous I can’t let you do that. So it’s really that’s where that whole
supervision piece comes in that you’re there and just you remind them that you know I love
you I can’t let you do this it’s dangerous.

ERIN ESTEVES: I just tell Cash I’m like oh okay pajama time let go let’s go let’s go pajamas
and he is like “oh no no no no” and he’ll make his way back it.

COLINA COROTHERS: I yeah we ask are you all done and it you know if he is then he’ll
usually he’ll kind of signs a little bit so he’ll sign all done and if not hoop right back into the
shower he goes. So the all done he knows the finality of that. So if we ask if he’s all done and
he’s not he knows don’t get out.

ERIN ESTEVES: Right!

EBEY SORENSON: And for those slippery I think the side of the tub is the most concerning
part…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes.

EBEY SORENSON: For parents you can put a towel there…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: If you’re really concern about or cut out a yoga mat so that it’s you can
also use that for your elbows if you’re bathing a child.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah.

EBEY SORENSON: But…

ERIN ESTEVES: You’re so smart.

EBEY SORENSON: I mean it’s all about trying to create something that’s going to give you a
little bit of time so you can help redirect them in appropriate way without you know having
an injury.

ERIN ESTEVES: So Jeanne-Marie you have a really good point to make a good tip for us
regarding bubble bath.

JEANNE-MARIE PAYNEL: Yeah I were you know bubble bath supposedly makes it fun and
all this for children it just be aware that especially for girls to sit in bubble bath too long can
be a really bad irritant and can cause yeast infections and so forth when they’re young. So I
would really limit the use of especially chemically base bubble baths.

ERIN ESTEVES: I had no idea and Ebey you were saying?

EBEY SORENSON: Oh when I was young yeah I suffered a lot even at the age of 6 I
remember and I knew UTIs are another concern for parents…

ERIN ESTEVES: Yes definitely.

EBEY SORENSON: Even for boys too that can be a problem.

ERIN ESTEVES: And so we stay away from bubble bats because he’ll drink it.

COLINA COROTHERS: Well I’ve seen some products out there that actually are directed
more towards little girls if that’s something you still want to participate in there’re I’ve
seen some that I actually purchase not because of this but it just happen to be an extra
bonus and it’s ph balance so that way it’s something that if you do have a little girl and she’s
you know she’s going to be in the bath there’s products out there but you have to really be
careful and look.

ERIN ESTEVES: Yeah to pay attention to it. That’s great advice. Thank so much to Jeanne-
Marie Paynel of Viola Montessori this conversation continues for members of our Parent
Savers club. After the show Jeanne-Marie will tell us more about ways we can empower our
children during bath time and in particular regarding potty training. For more information
about the Parent Savers club visit our website at www.newmommymedia.com .

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DAMIAN JACKSON: Hey Parent Savers this is Detective Damian Jackson of the Escondido
Police Department Family Protection Unit and The Internet Crimes against Children Task
Force here in San Diego California. As part of the Escondido Police Department’s on-going
series of community outreach education to help families enhance their personal safety. I’m
here today to talk to you about family tree stickers on the back of your car. You know the
ones I’m talking about. Why on earth do you have them on there?

Every time I’m driving behind someone that has those stickers I want to get out of my car
on the next red light pull out a razor blade and scrape those things off the window. Of
course you’re proud of your family. Who wouldn’t be? They’re the most awesome people in
the world and they’re your pride and joy. So what’s the harm in having these stickers? Let
me paint a scenario for you to ponder.

Let’s say a local child predator has spent some time driving behind you studying the names
below those stickers on your back window. I mean you have them all conveniently listed
right down to the family dog. Then they happen to chance across one of your children and
has this little exchange with them. Billy Billy oh I’m so glad I found you. You’re dog Rex got
hit by a car and your mom Jennifer had to go and get your sister Alice and take her to the
Veterinarian. Hop in to my car quick and we’ll call your dad Bob on the way over there.
Well as you can see what might seem like an innocent set of stickers on the back of your car
can open you and your family up to be and victimize by predators.

If a stranger walk up to you somewhere and ask you what your children’s names where
would you tell them? Of course you wouldn’t so why would you openly advertise to the
hundreds of strangers every single day on the open road? Scrape those things off and
protect your family’s privacy. For more information on how you can help keep your family
safe visit us on Facebook or Twitter at /escondidopolice. With the Escondido Police
Department and The San Diego Internet Crimes against Children Task Force, I’m Detective
Damian Jackson reminding you and your family to be smart and be safe.

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ERIN ESTEVES: That wraps up our show for today. We appreciate you listening to Parent
Savers.
Don’t forget to check out our sister shows:
- Preggie Pals for expecting parents
- The Boob Group for moms who breastfeed and
- Twin Talks for parents of multiple kids.
This is Parent Savers empowering new parents.

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